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04/19/2006 01:00 PM Senate FINANCE


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                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                         April 19, 2006                                                                                       
                           1:08 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Lyda Green convened the meeting at approximately                                                                       
1:08:00 PM.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  DAN DICKINSON, CPA, Consultant to the Office of                                                              
the Governor;                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Attending via Teleconference:  From an offnet location: ROB                                                                   
MINTZ, Assistant Attorney General, Oil, Gas and Mining Section,                                                                 
Civil Division, Department of Law.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 305-OIL AND GAS PRODUCTION TAX                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard from a consultant to the Office of the                                                                      
Governor and continued discussion on a committee substitute                                                                     
adopted at the previous hearing. The bill was held in Committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:08:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 305(RES)                                                                                            
     "An  Act providing  for a  production  tax on  oil and  gas;                                                               
     repealing  the  oil  and  gas  production  (severance)  tax;                                                               
     relating to the calculation of  the gross value at the point                                                               
     of production of oil or gas  and to the determination of the                                                               
     value of oil  and gas for purposes of the  production tax on                                                               
     oil and gas;  providing for tax credits against  the tax for                                                               
     certain   expenditures   and   losses;   relating   to   the                                                               
     relationship of the  production tax on oil and  gas to other                                                               
     taxes, to  the dates those  tax payments and  surcharges are                                                               
     due,  to interest  on overpayments  of the  tax, and  to the                                                               
     treatment of  the tax  in a  producer's settlement  with the                                                               
     royalty owners; relating  to flared gas, and to  oil and gas                                                               
     used  in the  operation of  a  lease or  property under  the                                                               
     production tax; relating  to the prevailing value  of oil or                                                               
     gas  under the  production  tax; relating  to surcharges  on                                                               
     oil; relating  to statements  or other  information required                                                               
     to be filed with or  furnished to the Department of Revenue,                                                               
     to the penalty  for failure to file certain  reports for the                                                               
     tax, to the powers of the  Department of Revenue, and to the                                                               
     disclosure of  certain information required to  be furnished                                                               
     to  the   Department  of  Revenue   as  applicable   to  the                                                               
     administration of  the tax;  relating to  criminal penalties                                                               
     for  violating conditions  governing  access to  and use  of                                                               
     confidential  information relating  to the  tax, and  to the                                                               
     deposit  of  tax  money  collected   by  the  Department  of                                                               
     Revenue;  amending  the  definitions of  'gas,'  'oil,'  and                                                               
     certain other terms for purposes  of the production tax, and                                                               
     as the  definition of the  term 'gas' applies in  the Alaska                                                               
     Stranded   Gas   Development   Act,   and   adding   further                                                               
     definitions;  making  conforming amendments;  and  providing                                                               
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the 12th hearing  for this  bill in the  Senate Finance                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
At the  previous hearing on  this bill, the Committee  adopted CS                                                               
SB 305, 24-GS2052\P, as a working document.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  noted  information  requests were  made  at  the                                                               
previous  meeting,  including  a comparison  spreadsheet  of  the                                                               
various bill versions under consideration.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAN  DICKINSON, CPA,  Consultant, Office  of the  Governor, noted                                                               
that not all the requested  information was included but would be                                                               
forthcoming.  He outlined  a document  titled  "Structure of  the                                                               
Senate Finance  CS for SB  305" [copy on file],  which references                                                               
page numbers of the committee substitute and reads as follows.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Calculate the tax base:                                                                                                    
          Calculate the gross value at the Point of Production                                                                  
               (May use a Royalty Settlement Agreement) (150(d))                                                                
               page 17                                                                                                          
          Take the Gas Revenue Exclusion (160(a)) page 18                                                                       
          Subtract lease expenditures including qualified                                                                       
          capital expenditures to arrive at the net "Production                                                                 
          Tax Value" page 18                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Apply the three tax rates:                                                                                                 
          Base PPT rate: 22.5% applied against the Production                                                                   
               Tax Value (.011 (e)) page 3                                                                                      
          Private Royalty Rate applied against gross value at                                                                   
               point of production (.011 (f)) page 3                                                                            
          Progressivity: .001 * index applied against the                                                                       
               Production Tax Value (0.11 (g)) page 4                                                                           
               Index = ((Production Tax Value/Barrel of oil                                                                     
              Equivalents) -45) (.011 (h)) page 4                                                                               
     To arrive at tax liability before credits                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Apply the five credits                                                                                                     
          5,000 a day barrel equivalent credit, capped at                                                                       
               $14,000 million (non transferable) (.170) page 23                                                                
          TIE credit equal to 1/2 of current investment (with                                                                   
               other limits (.024 (i)) page 10                                                                                  
          Alternative Exploration Credit of up to 40% (SB 185                                                                   
               extended) (.025) page 11                                                                                         
          Qualified Capital Expenditure of 25% (.024 (a)) page 7                                                                
          Any loss at the end of the year converted to a Carry                                                                  
               Forward Credit (.024 (b)) page 8                                                                                 
     To arrive at tax liability after credits                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Estimated monthly payments, must be trued up for prior year                                                                
     in by 3/31 of each year (.020 (a)) page 5                                                                                  
    If any month is estimated at less than 95%, interest due                                                                    
     (.020 (a)) page 5                                                                                                          
     Taxpayer can either use annualized or monthly actual costs,                                                                
     and can opt for the whole year at any time - however - must                                                                
     be one way or the other for all effects. (.024 (a)) & (160)                                                                
     page 7 & 22                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson explained the five credits could be applied to                                                                    
reduce tax liability.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stressed  that a  number of  the credits  had been                                                               
categorized as deductions  in previous versions of  the bill. The                                                               
intent  was to  make the  various incentives  into credits.  Once                                                               
done, these  incentives for investments would  be applied against                                                               
the base. This method would be "cleaner".                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson commented  on the progressivity, which  is based on                                                               
net and  would be  calculated on  the price  of oil.  Credits for                                                               
investments could be timed against  higher oil prices. This would                                                               
preferably be  annualized rather  than calculated  on a  month by                                                               
month basis.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:17:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   directed  attention  to  a   spreadsheet  titled                                                               
"Comparison of  PPT Bill Versions  - Highlights" [copy  on file],                                                               
dated  4/19/06. This  is similar  to previous  spreadsheets, with                                                               
the exception  of an  additional column  to represent  the Senate                                                               
Finance  draft committee  substitute. Various  provisions of  the                                                               
bill versions are listed as  rows on this spreadsheet and several                                                               
are referenced as follows.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:18:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Credit Rate                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman noted  the introduction of the  25 percent credit                                                               
rate  compared  to  the  rate  of  20  percent  included  in  the                                                               
Governor's  original  version of  the  bill  and the  legislation                                                               
under  consideration in  the House  of Representatives.  He asked                                                               
why  the higher  credit rate  is being  considered in  the Senate                                                               
Finance committee substitute.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:19:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson responded  that  a 25  percent  credit rate  would                                                               
offset  the   increased  tax  rate  proposed   in  the  committee                                                               
substitute Version  "P" and would  attempt to retain  the balance                                                               
achieved  by  the "20/20  proposal".  More  investments could  be                                                               
expected with the allowance of higher credits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:20:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Private royalty tax rate                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson noted  the changes to the private  royalty tax rate                                                               
in each  bill version. Version  "P" provides  "5% of oil  & 1.67%                                                               
gas/  Report from  Commissioner  .011 (f)"  and  is contained  on                                                               
pages 3 and 28.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:22:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde asked  for additional  explanation  of the  change                                                               
from  gross   to  net,   as  he   had  concerns   about  "gaining                                                               
possibilities".  He  qualified  that  he  did  not  begrudge  oil                                                               
companies for  attempting to earn  as much money as  possible for                                                               
their shareholders.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:22:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson described this as "tax planning opportunities".                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:23:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde compared  this to the legislature's  duty to obtain                                                               
the maximum revenue for the State.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:23:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  responded that some operations  are more difficult                                                               
and costly  to develop, while  others only entail the  expense of                                                               
transporting the  resource. This committee  substitute recognizes                                                               
the  costs  and attempts  to  equalize  the  tax for  those  more                                                               
expensive  situations.  Progressivity   would  therefore  not  be                                                               
driven by the price of oil,  but rather the price minus costs. He                                                               
described  the motivation  for producers  to claim  their credits                                                               
during months with higher prices  to maximize the tax reductions.                                                               
This could  add a significant  layer of complexity,  which should                                                               
be considered against the anticipated results.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:26:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  expressed concern  that the  State could  lose any                                                               
savings that would  have been achieved from  the restructured tax                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:27:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson acknowledged  the  tradeoff  between accuracy  and                                                               
simplicity.  The  cost  of administering  this  system  could  be                                                               
higher but would be offset by  the changes that would occur. This                                                               
would not be a "one-to-one  tradeoff", although the Department of                                                               
Revenue would be  required each year to  request an appropriation                                                               
for these activities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 1:28:20 PM / 1:31:29 PM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  returned to the  first handout, pointing  out that                                                               
the five credits  would only be applicable to  the base Petroleum                                                               
Production Tax  (PPT). The  credits could not  be applied  to the                                                               
progressivity portion of the tax.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:32:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  announced  that  the  committee  substitute  and                                                               
information presented to  the Committee at this  meeting would be                                                               
posted on the Senate Majority website.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:33:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Special gas progressivity?                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson pointed out that  the committee substitute contains                                                               
no  special rules  to address  progressivity on  natural gas.  In                                                               
calculating  the progressivity,  all activities  of the  producer                                                               
would be considered. A producer  that only produces gas would not                                                               
reach  the   threshold  in  which  progressivity   is  triggered.                                                               
Producers'  activities  are  either  mostly  gas  development  or                                                               
include gas development as a small portion of their "portfolio".                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Transition                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   noted  that  Version  "P"   contains  transition                                                               
provisions similar  to the Senate Resources  Committee substitute                                                               
with the  exception that  the Senate  Finance version  provides a                                                               
seven-year deadline  to recoup past investments.  The credit rate                                                               
for past investments would remain at 20 percent                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Base Allowance                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  informed  that all  producers  would  receive  an                                                               
exemption  on  the  first  5,000   barrels  produced.  For  large                                                               
producers,  such as  Conoco Phillips,  the exemption  would equal                                                               
less than one  percent of total production.  The percentage would                                                               
be higher for small producers.  This committee substitute inserts                                                               
a  maximum exemption  amount of  approximately $14  million. This                                                               
calculates to  approximately $62 million compared  to $72 million                                                               
as proposed in the original bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Sunset of Base Allowance                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson stated  this provision would lapse in  2016, or ten                                                               
years.  Before  the date  is  reached,  the commissioner  of  the                                                               
Department of  Revenue would submit  a report to  the legislature                                                               
and  make  a  recommendation  whether  to  extend  or  amend  the                                                               
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Safe Harbor                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson remarked  that  the  current committee  substitute                                                               
reflects a  95 percent  threshold, as  does the  Senate Resources                                                               
Committee  substitute,  although  the  Senate  Finance  Committee                                                               
version  provides for  an annual  "true up"  rather than  monthly                                                               
true ups.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:39:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman calculated  that under  this scenario  producers                                                               
would  pay 95  percent  of the  estimated tax  and  would pay  11                                                               
percent on the five percent remaining.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson affirmed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:39:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Effective Date                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson pointed out that the  effective date of the new tax                                                               
structure would be  July 1, 2006 under the  provisions of Version                                                               
"P", which is the same as proposed by Governor Murkowski.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Transitional Payment                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson announced  the transitional  periods are  also the                                                               
same as contained in the original bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Spill Surcharge Total                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Dickinson   noted  the  five-cent  surcharge   would  remain                                                               
unchanged from current  statute, the original bill  and the House                                                               
Resources Committee substitute.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  qualified  that  this provision  is  subject  to                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:40:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Surcharge Treatment                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson stated  that like  the Senate  Resources Committee                                                               
substitute, the  credit would not  be transferable  under Version                                                               
"P". These are different than proposed by the Governor.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     SB 185 Credit                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  informed that the Administration  would request an                                                               
amendment to  this provision, relating to  legislation passed the                                                               
previous legislative session, to  provide for a reporting process                                                               
before the credit automatically lapsed.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson pointed  out that SB 185 provided  that $20 million                                                               
in credits could  be given for activities located  in Cook Inlet.                                                               
Unfortunately,  the   language  was   unclear  in   addressing  a                                                               
situation in which  more than one producer  submitted credits and                                                               
the total  amount was  higher than  $20 million.  Options include                                                               
granting the  credits based on earliest  submission, dividing the                                                               
credits  between the  producers, and  other remedies.  The latest                                                               
committee  substitute  version of  SB  305  would stipulate  that                                                               
notice would  be given to  producers at  the time $20  million in                                                               
credits had  been granted.  In the  following calendar  year, the                                                               
State  would  pay out  any  additional  credits after  which  the                                                               
program  would  end.  Although credits  totaling  more  than  $30                                                               
million  could be  granted,  this method  is  rational and  would                                                               
provide   the   necessary   incentive.  The   Administration   is                                                               
supportive of this language.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:42:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Abandonment                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson explained  this  relates to  a  definition of  "an                                                               
extended   period   of   disuse"   previously   considered.   The                                                               
Administration had  requested clarification of this  term and was                                                               
satisfied that it  had been removed from the  language of Version                                                               
"P". Abandonment,  restoration and other actions  that a producer                                                               
must  undertake  upon completion  of  a  lease are  considered  a                                                               
normal business expense  and recognized as such  in the committee                                                               
substitute provisions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:42:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman requested  further explanation,  specifically to                                                               
platforms located in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:43:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson responded that according  to Department analysis of                                                               
property  tax   values,  once  five   platforms  are   no  longer                                                               
producing, they would  be dismantled and removed.  The expense of                                                               
these  activities  is  considerable, and  because  the  platforms                                                               
cause no real navigational hazard,  removing multiple stations in                                                               
conjunction with one another is most cost effective.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman asked if the credit  would or would not apply for                                                               
these activities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:44:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson answered  that the credit would  not apply. Credits                                                               
apply  to  investments  made  with   an  expectation  for  future                                                               
benefit. Abandonment  would not garner future  benefit. This bill                                                               
version removes the specific prohibition  contained in the Senate                                                               
Resources  Committee  substitute   stipulating  that  abandonment                                                               
costs would be prorated for  a platform that produced both before                                                               
and after enactment of this legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  surmised that  a normal  tax deduction  would be                                                               
allowed, but that the 25 percent credit would not be allowed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson affirmed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  recalled a presentation  given to  the Committee                                                               
on April  1 by the  Department of Law. Co-Chair  Wilken requested                                                               
Mr. Mintz review the changes  contained in Version "P" and report                                                               
on their impact as well as voicing any additional concerns.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  also requested that  EconOne, a  consulting firm                                                               
contracted by the legislature, conduct  an analysis of the fiscal                                                               
changes proposed in this committee substitute.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROB  MINTZ,  Assistant  Attorney  General, Oil,  Gas  and  Mining                                                               
Section,  Civil  Division,  Department   of  Law,  testified  via                                                               
teleconference from an offnet location  that he would provide the                                                               
requested analysis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken excused himself for a prior commitment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:48:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson would  also perform  a  comparison in  conjunction                                                               
with EconOne.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:49:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Credits Usable                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson remarked  that the credits would  be usable against                                                               
the  PPT only  and that  the  progressivity factor  could not  be                                                               
reduced through credits.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Credits Refundable?                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson announced that the  credits would not be refundable                                                               
under the provisions of this bill version.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Credits for Annual Loss                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  stated  that  an   explorer  with  little  or  no                                                               
production could carry the credits forward at the same tax rate.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:49:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Credits Transferable                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  clarified that the committee  substitute retains                                                               
the 80 percent limit, or 20  percent maximum reduction of PPT tax                                                               
owed using purchased credits.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson affirmed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Point of Production                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  noted that  the point  of production  has remained                                                               
constant  in all  versions  of the  bill,  although efforts  were                                                               
underway to reduce ambiguity.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     DNR Royalty Value                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  reminded that  since the gross  value at  point of                                                               
production  is  already  calculated through  regulations  of  the                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources, the  question was raised  as to                                                               
whether  these figures  could  be utilized  in  this capacity  so                                                               
administrative  efforts would  be reduced.  The Senate  Resources                                                               
Committee substitute  provided that the  commissioner [department                                                               
not specified]  would made  a determination  based on  the fiscal                                                               
interest of  the State.  The Administration  recommended language                                                               
providing  that "a  tradeoff between  efficiency and  making sure                                                               
that there was no bias downward."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green   understood  this  would  prevent   bias  toward                                                               
understating a producer's tax liability.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     IRC sec. 482 as a tool                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  informed  that   Version  "P"  does  not  contain                                                               
provisions to  utilize the federal Internal  Revenue Code section                                                               
482  for  addressing  transfer   pricing.  However,  language  is                                                               
included to provide that in  the instance of transfer pricing, or                                                               
a "non-arms  length transaction" amounts above  fair market value                                                               
would  not  be   a  direct  cost  and  therefore   would  not  be                                                               
deductible. This method would achieve  similar results, but would                                                               
be "more usable".                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:52:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Catastrophic Oil Spill Deductible?                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson stated that this  committee substitute version does                                                               
not mention this issue. Therefore,  unless related costs were "an                                                               
ordinary and necessary expense" they would be deductible.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     DNR Gets Exploration Data                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson pointed out this  and the remaining provisions were                                                               
not contained  in earlier versions  of the bill.  This provision,                                                               
however, was  included in  the language  of SB  185 adopted  by a                                                               
previous  legislature.  It  stipulates   that  data  relating  to                                                               
exploration  activities in  which  credits are  received must  be                                                               
submitted   to  the   Department   of   Natural  Resources.   The                                                               
information would  be held  for ten years  then become  public to                                                               
allow other  explorers opportunity  for review. The  inclusion of                                                               
this provision  in Version  "P" would make  it applicable  to all                                                               
exploration data.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     020 (f) Sales Language                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  indicated Mr. Mintz  would detail  this provision,                                                               
which is intended to more accurately reflect current practice.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     NPSL Regs After Industry Practice                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   explained  this  relates  to   determination  of                                                               
upstream  costs and  provides that  industry  practices would  be                                                               
utilized.  If   those  practices   were  unclear   or  ambiguous,                                                               
Department of Natural Resources regulations would be consulted.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Gas                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson mentioned this pertains to Gas Revenue Exclusion.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman asked  if the  separate  severability clause  in                                                               
this legislation would cause problems.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson deferred to legal counsel                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:54:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman,  referencing the  five  credits  listed on  the                                                               
first handout, clarified  that the third and  fourth credits were                                                               
mutually exclusive.  He understood  that if a  producer qualified                                                               
for the Alternative Exploration Credit,  it would not be eligible                                                               
to receive the Qualified Capital Expenditure credit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson affirmed  that a producer could  not receive credit                                                               
under both categories.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:55:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   next  spoke  to   a  spreadsheet   titled,  "Oil                                                               
Production  January 2000  - January  2006" [copy  on file].  This                                                               
depicts  the percentage  of  production  from individual  leases,                                                               
although it includes  all units located in a  portion or entirely                                                               
on State  or federal  interest lands. A  small segment  of leases                                                               
are exclusively in private ownership.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson pointed out that  private royalty interests for oil                                                               
are less  than 1 percent  of the total.  The five to  six percent                                                               
from private  leases on  gas production  would increase  to about                                                               
ten percent. However, production in  Cook Inlet is less than five                                                               
percent of the total North  Slope production. The North Slope has                                                               
no gas production on private leases.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson qualified that this  spreadsheet does not relate to                                                               
the bill before the Committee.  It is intended to demonstrate the                                                               
small percentage of private leases.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:57:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  then directed attention  to pages 2 through  11 of                                                               
the Division of  Oil and Gas 2004 Report  titled, "Incentives and                                                               
Credits"  [copy on  file]. Line  26 of  page 6  of the  committee                                                               
substitute Version  "P" lists four  statutes. Those  statutes are                                                               
detailed in this handout.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  referenced  a  line  graph  titled,  "Per  Barrel                                                               
Progressivity Surcharge"  [copy on  file] that utilizes  the year                                                               
2010 as  an example  to demonstrate  the progressivity  impact of                                                               
the provisions  of the House Resources  Committee substitute, the                                                               
Senate  Resources Committee  substitute  and  the Senate  Finance                                                               
Committee substitute.  It calculates  the amount per  barrel that                                                               
would  be paid  in  tax based  on the  Alaska  North Slope  (ANS)                                                               
price. At an average price of  $70, each barrel would be assessed                                                               
$5 in additional tax under  the provisions of the House Resources                                                               
Committee substitute.  The additional tax would  be approximately                                                               
$3.50  per  barrel  under the  progressivity  provisions  of  the                                                               
Senate  Resources  Committee  substitute,  and  approximately  $1                                                               
would be the amount assessed  under the provisions of the current                                                               
Senate Finance Committee substitute.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Dickinson  pointed   out  that   this  model   incorporates                                                               
approximately $15  in costs.  The profit made  per barrel  at $70                                                               
ANS price would be more  accurately $55. Due to different factors                                                               
in  the various  bill  versions,  the "driver"  is  more or  less                                                               
predominant;  with   the  Senate  Finance   Committee  substitute                                                               
version resulting in the least impact.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:02:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  noted that the  progressivity tax  would "plateau"                                                               
at prices  of $120 per barrel  under the provisions of  the House                                                               
Resources  Committee substitute.  He asked  if the  provisions of                                                               
the other bill versions would reach a maximum amount.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  answered that  the other  versions do  not provide                                                               
for a maximum percentage.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked if the  example provided of 2010 represents                                                               
the "base case" or a high or low volume scenario.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson understood  this data  to represent  a low  volume                                                               
scenario. The volume  would likely not affect  the data portrayed                                                               
on this chart.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:03:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked what the  projected production level is for                                                               
2010.  He  agreed  that  the impact  of  progressivity  from  the                                                               
different bill  versions on prices  between zero and $50  must be                                                               
reviewed, as  it is the most  likely price range during  the next                                                               
several years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson reported  the estimated  the  production rate  for                                                               
2010 is 780,000 barrels per day.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:04:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  appreciated  the demonstration  of  the  dollar                                                               
amounts. He requested a similar  chart depicting percentages that                                                               
includes a comparison to the status quo.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:05:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson indicated he would  provide a more detailed version                                                               
at a later meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:05:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson outlined  a  spreadsheet  titled ""Production  Tax                                                               
Value" under 160" [copy on  file] that demonstrates the effect of                                                               
the  "tax holiday".  It shows  the percentage  of taxable  profit                                                               
that would  be "shielded" under  this provision included  in some                                                               
form in all versions of the  bill. All bill versions provide that                                                               
smaller operators with production of  less than 5,000 barrels per                                                               
day  would  have  no  tax   liability.  Generally  as  production                                                               
increases, the  exemption decreases. He detailed  the comparisons                                                               
between each provision and their impacts on various producers.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:10:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson   concluded  his  presentation  by   addressing  a                                                               
spreadsheet and  line graph titled  "Distribution of  Future Case                                                               
Flows  Under SQ  and Variations  of the  Senate Resources  SC PPT                                                               
Proposal FY  2007 - 2030"  [copy on file]. This  incorporates the                                                               
20/25  provisions of  the Senate  Resources Committee  substitute                                                               
and drafts  of the  progressivity factor  included in  the Senate                                                               
Finance  Committee  substitute.  An  additional  chart  would  be                                                               
prepared to further demonstrate this information.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:12:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman recalled the change  in "government take" amounts                                                               
should decline about 1.1 percent varied over price ranges.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:13:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  calculated  the net  tax  at  approximately  nine                                                               
percent  under the  20/20 formula  and  approximately 12  percent                                                               
under the 25/20 formula. He asked  the net tax under a formula of                                                               
22.5 percent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:14:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson relayed  that Senator  Stedman had  also requested                                                               
this information, which would be prepared.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  pointed out that  the Committee had  not discussed                                                               
the impact of a change to the credit rate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman noted the difference  in government share between                                                               
the  original   20/20  proposal  and  the   progressivity  factor                                                               
contained  in Version  "P" would  begin at  the point  oil prices                                                               
exceed $40 per  barrel. He asked if this is  accurate for the net                                                               
value calculation.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:15:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  replied that  the government share  at a  price of                                                               
$50 per barrel  would increase from 60.7 percent  to 61.7 percent                                                               
under  the  progressivity  provisions  of  the  Senate  Resources                                                               
Committee substitute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:16:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  understood  that the  progressivity  percentage                                                               
would start  at a  significantly higher  amount under  the Senate                                                               
Finance Committee substitute.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:16:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  responded that the percentages  would be identical                                                               
at a  $40 per barrel price.  Divergence would begin at  prices of                                                               
$60 per barrel.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:16:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman concluded  that the  differences resulting  from                                                               
the various  progressivity provisions in the  bill versions would                                                               
not be in effect at prices less than $50 per barrel.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  answered that the  graph utilizes a  "North Slope"                                                               
model. However, progressivity  could begin at a  lower per barrel                                                               
price for a  producer with considerably low  operating costs. The                                                               
trigger  price listed  in  the committee  substitute  is $45  per                                                               
barrel. The production costs would  be deducted from the price of                                                               
oil;  therefore  if  the  production  cost  per  barrel  was  $5,                                                               
progressivity would be  applicable at an actual  price per barrel                                                               
of $50.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 2:17:51 PM / 2:20:52 PM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green noted the distribution of additional information.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dickinson  detailed the two  tables, one  depicting "Proposed                                                               
Progressivity  ($  per  barrel additional  Tax)"  and  the  other                                                               
depicting "CSHB 488  ($ per barrel additional  Tax)" contained on                                                               
a  one-page document  [copy on  file]. He  noted the  first table                                                               
pertains to the Senate Finance  Committee substitute, Version "P"                                                               
and the other to the  legislation approved by the House Resources                                                               
Committee. These tables list the  amount of the progressivity tax                                                               
based  on the  price  per  barrel less  the  production cost  per                                                               
barrel.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:25:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  told of reports  of production cost of  an average                                                               
of  $12  per   barrel  and  as  high  as  $20   per  barrel.  The                                                               
progressivity  provision  of   this  committee  substitute  would                                                               
increase  the tax  on a  per  barrel price  of $60  approximately                                                               
$1.56 compared  to an  increase of $4.50  under the  provision of                                                               
the House Resources Committee substitute.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson  furthered  that   the  provisions  of  the  House                                                               
Resources  Committee  substitute  would  not  take  into  account                                                               
investments  made. The  progressivity  would  be "insensitive  to                                                               
cost" and would only rely on the price.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:26:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde continued  that the price of oil would  be at least                                                               
$70  per barrel  before the  Senate Finance  Committee substitute                                                               
progressivity  provision  would be  in  effect  on production  in                                                               
fields with higher costs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dickinson affirmed,  but clarified  each  taxpayer would  be                                                               
assessed the progressivity tax based  on their average production                                                               
costs. Progressivity would not be  assessed on a "field by field"                                                               
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:27:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde asked  if the  Committee would  entertain comments                                                               
from  affected producers.  He requested  testimony representative                                                               
of  a large  producer  and testimony  representative  of a  small                                                               
producer. He invited written statements.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:29:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  announced  the   ambitious  timeframe  for  this                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 2:29:30 PM / 2:31:08 PM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  invited  producers'   written  reaction  to  the                                                               
committee substitute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Lyda Green adjourned the meeting at 2:32:24 PM                                                                       

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